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urdu poetry, arabic analysis, and the mufti’s comments

December 5th, 2004

peace. oh yeah, if you’re looking for the important [time worthy] summary of this blog post, then here it is — “this post is a total waste of time — but best of luck to my friends who are taking finals!”

anyway (for those of you who have time to waste), so one of my friends had this as an away message:

“Pyar huwa ikraar hua hai, pyar se phir kyoon darta hai dil? kehta hai dil, rasta mushkil, pyar ki hai kahaan manzil?”

being the honorary desi i am, and knowing a few urdu words, i tried to make some sense of this. pyar and dil were obvious ones that i already know. arabs will recognize mushkil as short for mushkila (problem), and manzil as home or place a person resides…

ikraar could come from taqreer, so basically as a statement or expression.

the first person i interviewed on this topic was our beloved mufti, sheikh “not-a-mufti” (those who know him, know him hehe, those who don’t, well… i’m protecting the innocent :) ).

and first i asked him about the meaning of ikraar and he said, “i believe it means ‘to utter’ or to say.” — he then asked me, “context?” — and at that time, i didn’t have the full away message (because my friend had come back from away mode) — so i told him that it was gone and that i’d find out. and he said a very beautiful statement in the form of a mathematical expression:

P(away msg is mushy | contains ‘ikraar’) > .9

so anyway, i then proceeded to get the full away message. and i asked our beloved mufti for a translation and he said, “love happened and it has been said, then why is the heart scared of love? the heart says, the path is tough, where does the path of love lead to?”

trying to map it back to the original message, the only thing i was able to notice is that “phir” probably maps onto “fear,” so i guess urdu got some influence from l337 h4x0r talk too (ph34r 7h3 31337 h4x0rs!)

yeah, i just wanted to post. nothing meaningful today, maybe tomorrow. peace out everyone.

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  1. aneounimoues
    December 11th, 2004 at 00:01 | #1

    Don’t worry, we still love you.

  2. Fariha
    December 11th, 2004 at 01:49 | #2

    nida kiddo, nice blog, but i took down mine, hence the blank page when you click on the link… i dunno… still contemplating its halalness.

  3. Fariha
    December 11th, 2004 at 02:18 | #3

    k, i just updated my blog with a small explanation… anyways, it looked retarded with just “fariha’s blob” written on the top. salaam.

  4. Fariha
    December 11th, 2004 at 03:19 | #4

    ehn, shmuck…

  5. aneounimoues
    December 11th, 2004 at 13:11 | #5

    Don’t cry Nida. I went to your blog. It was so pretty and it had such beautiful colors.

  6. jawwad
    December 11th, 2004 at 16:44 | #6

    Don’t respond to that. That exactly what he wants you to do.

  7. aneounimoues
    December 11th, 2004 at 17:00 | #7

    I’m only comforting Nida. Why don’t you go ahead and make a blog and I’ll be sure to comfort you when no one visits it.

  8. aneounimoues
    December 11th, 2004 at 18:54 | #8

    I love Ahmed’s blog.

  9. aneounimoues
    December 11th, 2004 at 20:03 | #9

    Is there no one here that loves me?

  10. December 11th, 2004 at 22:48 | #10

    Nope. sure isn’t. you’re a stupid ugly homosexual, babar. die.

  11. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 00:29 | #11

    If me and babar were two different people would babar be a stupid ugly homosexual, would I be, or would both of us be?

  12. December 12th, 2004 at 00:45 | #12

    hate to break it to you kids, but i got to defend my roommate, and aneounimoues is *not* mansoor.

  13. December 12th, 2004 at 00:55 | #13

    fariha baji – i commented on your blog in response to your explanation.
    wsalams.

  14. jawwad
    December 12th, 2004 at 03:18 | #14

    I love doing projects on weekend nights in the winter break.

  15. jawwad
    December 12th, 2004 at 03:22 | #15

    dang, Mansoor got called a stupid ugly homosexual for no reason. Where is Mansoor when he needs to defend himself?

  16. jawwad
    December 12th, 2004 at 03:23 | #16

    Wait, so Ahmed you know who aneounimoues is?

  17. Fariha
    December 12th, 2004 at 07:17 | #17

    yeah, so back to muchfitna’s comment: “hurray for namecalling”… (and revisiting namecalling) *how lame*

  18. Fariha
    December 12th, 2004 at 07:27 | #18

    Ahmed Bhai – I have read ur comment and it made me smile, so thanks; i’m waiting on Faisal. there’s this website that made me wonder about the whole thing in the first place (Nida, chill): its http://eathalalguy.blogspot.com/... so read it Ahmed and tell me what you think. (which now that i think about it, this kid also has his blog up so how does that work…?)

  19. Fariha
    December 12th, 2004 at 07:41 | #19

    Faisal Bhai – when u ask about it, ask also about putting up Islamic knowledge/introspection up insha-Allah. thanks.

  20. Fariha
    December 12th, 2004 at 07:48 | #20

    oh wait, i think this kid pulled his blog offline after 9 months and this article … whoops.

  21. Fariha
    December 12th, 2004 at 08:03 | #21

    i just realized “lame” was a little harsh… sorry. i just don’t think we should be calling anyone stupid, ugly, moron, or a homosexual. and now i’m going, before i start writing my own blog here. salaam.

  22. Fariha
    December 12th, 2004 at 08:07 | #22

    uhh, and Nida baji, that wasn’t directed at you, but rather the masses. okay, salaam (again).

  23. December 12th, 2004 at 10:36 | #23

    everyone’s a homosexual. eat that. hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha, ha.

  24. December 12th, 2004 at 16:46 | #24

    there is something serious going on at my blog. go look.

  25. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 17:36 | #25

    wow! you are my hero.

  26. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 18:03 | #26

    Ahmed, you lowered my anonymity! Its ok, I still love you.

  27. Sajid
    December 12th, 2004 at 22:43 | #27

    Why has Ahmed’s blog become a discussion board of sorts? Oh well, the seven days to ramble are up.

  28. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:30 | #28

    oh no! Ahmed, make another post quick! We need to know what you did today, and give you feedback.

  29. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:30 | #29

    I must make as many comments as I can tonight, while I still have the chance.

  30. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:32 | #30

    I love aneounimoues.

  31. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:34 | #31

    Awww, I love you too.

  32. December 12th, 2004 at 23:38 | #32

    MY BLOG my blog my blog! come one come all come visit…and do comment. my first really post is “witty and charming” according to Ahmed.

    So I was talking to sister Ahmed today…and he started talking about the cuteness of babies. So just so everyone is up to date, i am going to have a baby some day…a really really cute one too. which is why i think adoption or foster care is a really good idea. you get to pick! so you can get a way cute one, whereas with giving your birth you’re stuck with what you got.

  33. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:39 | #33

    Whohooo! I can still post!

  34. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:40 | #34

    Yeah, you definately should adopt.

  35. muchfitna
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:42 | #35

    aneounimoues != anonymous
    Silly wabbit.

  36. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:44 | #36

    You got that right. I am the real one.

  37. jawwad
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:49 | #37

    yo anonie, I know who you are. You want me to tell everyone?

  38. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:50 | #38

    yo jawadie, I know who you are. You want me to tell everyone?

  39. jawwad
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:51 | #39

    You don’t believe me? Ahmed told me.

  40. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:52 | #40

    no he didn’t, i know he didnt. you dont know shit.

  41. jawwad
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:52 | #41

    you aint that hard to figure out buddy

  42. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:53 | #42

    oh, so you really know who i am?

  43. jawwad
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:54 | #43

    of course I do. Who knows you better than me?

  44. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:54 | #44

    oh yeah, how do you know?

  45. jawwad
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:55 | #45

    you are an idiot. timestamps give you away.

  46. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:55 | #46

    no they dont. what the hell do timestamps have to do with any of this

  47. jawwad
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:56 | #47

    everything.

  48. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:56 | #48

    they dont mean anything. whats wrong with you. why cant you let everyone figure it out for themselves?

  49. jawwad
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:57 | #49

    Because, you’ve caused enough trouble.

  50. aneounimoues
    December 12th, 2004 at 23:57 | #50

    I was only getting started.

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